tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3779956188045272690.post6753876988613448467..comments2024-03-22T01:46:59.425-04:00Comments on Procedural World: Stop Kickstarter ScamsMiguel Ceperohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17586513342346629237noreply@blogger.comBlogger86125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3779956188045272690.post-65471716080253496362014-02-28T05:36:20.213-05:002014-02-28T05:36:20.213-05:00I disagree, kickstarter makes it very clear that y...I disagree, kickstarter makes it very clear that you shouldn't post anything to your project that would make it look like you have made more progress then yiu actually have. By posting images of voxel farm, they violated these terms and agreements. The project had an ultra low entry goal, and this should raise plenty of red flags for any backer. At $100,000 they simply could not live up to any of their lofty promises, this is what makes it vaporware. What is worse, is that any/all negative publicity from vaporware projects will invariably tarnish Miguels reputation. He is not a massive engine developer with a plethora of success stories of companies using his engine. Each and every project using his engine has tremendous impact on his future sales. Hence, he is justified in calling out projects that can tarnish his name. Regardless of whether their true agendas was to milk kick starter backers or of more noble intentions.Ajmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12985928729302303917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3779956188045272690.post-25186460491964219202014-02-27T18:41:40.790-05:002014-02-27T18:41:40.790-05:00Except Jonathan you are dead wrong on what happene...Except Jonathan you are dead wrong on what happened and what the result was. Paul is right to be concerned about what happens if Miguel gets word of him using images from voxelfarm because this entire blog post proves just how terrible the VoxelFarm company is. Either the management is terrible or they have a loose cannon who does not use their brain before their pen. M. Janusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3779956188045272690.post-68556486877503364982014-02-26T04:02:05.750-05:002014-02-26T04:02:05.750-05:00No one tried to steal anything from what I could t...No one tried to steal anything from what I could tell. A small developer tried raising money to buy Voxelfarm and made the grave mistake of using a image from voxelfarm on their kickstarter project. Despite the image being linked directly to the voxelfarm website the author of this blog and the software lost his head acted like a idiot and posted this "illegal" blog. Libel is a serious form of Defamation that is a criminal offense making the author of this blog culpable for damages and possibly landing them-self in jail if they were to be sued and lose.M. Janusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3779956188045272690.post-30492322922351518232014-02-22T02:57:55.403-05:002014-02-22T02:57:55.403-05:00As an Indy dev myself. I am shocked. How unprofess...As an Indy dev myself. I am shocked. How unprofessional. While they might have been in the wrong. They didn't exactly do anything shady like pretend they created voxelfarm. It looked as if they were singing high praises to the author. To have this happen in result. Shame on voxelfarm. It's quite obvious you hate indy developers cause they can't afford your over priced engine.Laurena Valenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3779956188045272690.post-5789247478390753052014-02-09T18:09:01.760-05:002014-02-09T18:09:01.760-05:00Good luck getting those $100k to buy from a compet...Good luck getting those $100k to buy from a competitor... It is kind of ironic that Miguel kind of screwed himself over since they were actually planning to buy it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3779956188045272690.post-11683475381322222122014-02-09T18:03:31.135-05:002014-02-09T18:03:31.135-05:00Surely you could've thought better than to use...Surely you could've thought better than to use screenshots of an engine you do not own in order to gain followers... Also come on... $1 million? You can't even reach $20k XDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3779956188045272690.post-57650938557014930382014-02-09T07:56:09.431-05:002014-02-09T07:56:09.431-05:00This is outrageous I've been following this bl...This is outrageous I've been following this blog for years and am outraged that someone would try to steal your hard work and profit from it. I realize this happens but you do some amazing things and deserve respect and admiration for being such an inspiration! Earl J. Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15229772106688550105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3779956188045272690.post-44167864875953447192014-02-06T04:32:12.824-05:002014-02-06T04:32:12.824-05:00.. i think people dont remember that if something ..... i think people dont remember that if something is not yours you cant use it or have it... whatever the case is.. <br /><br />saying thats its for " showing the potential " its stupid..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3779956188045272690.post-90402505975915542492014-01-28T06:16:19.781-05:002014-01-28T06:16:19.781-05:00Voxel Farm has suddenly became very VERY ugly. Thi...Voxel Farm has suddenly became very VERY ugly. This horribly inflamed blog post does the author and the Kickstarter campaign both a great disservice. <br /><br />If it had been handled out of the public forum, I am sure it could have been settled amicably.<br /><br />Hopefully Miguel and the Praetoria team have both learned something here - albeit the hard way. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3779956188045272690.post-35911681891414667462014-01-28T05:37:21.718-05:002014-01-28T05:37:21.718-05:00word!word!ëRiChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13155422816081085456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3779956188045272690.post-64790895103171679842014-01-28T05:28:31.914-05:002014-01-28T05:28:31.914-05:00A pity that it came to this point :/ But nice that...A pity that it came to this point :/ But nice that you come here and tell whats up!!<br />On the one hand I can totally understand Miguel is sick of people trying to profit from his stuff. On the other he could have mailed you first, get in touch and find out If you are scammers or not.<br />In the end that would have been much more interesting! I'd also like to know! As I've seen these poser babes on the facebook page I immediately turned away. That was really too much. I hope Miguel has a deeper insight now and updates his post!ëRiChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13155422816081085456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3779956188045272690.post-67730697571164193792014-01-25T23:42:13.665-05:002014-01-25T23:42:13.665-05:00This is a scam. Their $100 reward is an exact copy...This is a scam. Their $100 reward is an exact copy of the Vulture in the BattleTech IP which is exclusively license to PGI by FASA. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3779956188045272690.post-54986039963611516192014-01-23T16:28:32.623-05:002014-01-23T16:28:32.623-05:00Everyone just say they're sorry and move on.
...Everyone just say they're sorry and move on.<br /><br />Life's too short.<br /><br />Also, I want more awesome voxel-based games.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3779956188045272690.post-84678764582232670572014-01-23T08:51:38.330-05:002014-01-23T08:51:38.330-05:00I feel kind of sad for anybody who invests money i...I feel kind of sad for anybody who invests money in this scam. Especially any of the people who purchase the more expensive packages. What are they going to do if the kickstarter reaches its goal, but not any of its stretch goals? A cell phone game for $500+ lol. The low entry price to get the money plus investment points that can only be redeemed if the thing makes it to thr upper stretch goals is super sketchy.Ajmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12985928729302303917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3779956188045272690.post-64073553084335391712014-01-22T23:33:10.182-05:002014-01-22T23:33:10.182-05:00I find it amusing that we're even discussing K...I find it amusing that we're even discussing Kickstarter shovelware as if it's already an established game by an actual developer. A "serious customer"? They would probably need to hire someone who knows how to implement the voxel farm tech, or what a game engine is, before they can license it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3779956188045272690.post-4088453319169711542014-01-22T23:25:39.838-05:002014-01-22T23:25:39.838-05:00I wouldn't judge Voxelfarm by its PR. The whol...I wouldn't judge Voxelfarm by its PR. The whole focus of this blog used to be the technology aspect of Voxelfarm, which is quite remarkable and developed mostly by one man.<br />On the other hand, another of the thousands of you-can-do-anything MMORPG kickstarter projects showing nothing but concept art using another person's work as a placeholder for original content doesn't warrant a whole lot of respect. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3779956188045272690.post-29450448767361594442014-01-22T18:27:14.666-05:002014-01-22T18:27:14.666-05:00Your definition of "prove" is wrong in a...Your definition of "prove" is wrong in any conceivable way.<br />You had not point to begin with.<br />Even your gratitude is fake.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3779956188045272690.post-66528788063796008362014-01-22T14:48:35.920-05:002014-01-22T14:48:35.920-05:00that comment was not by me
I do not feel bullied ...that comment was not by me<br /><br />I do not feel bullied and for the most part understand the reaction, but the broadcasting of this issue calling us a scam is what cranked my gears. <br /><br />If they had used the medium provided inside of kickstarter and professionally dealt with us the company as a whole we would have happily removed those images without further complaint, we are trying to make a game here and it appears we made a mistake that could have been resolved peacefully without blatently telling the world that we are a scam, i would understand this if they e-mailed messaged etc and got no response but is it really professional to write a blog post accusing us of being something we are not, <br /><br />I quote something in the post that really raised my eybrow <br />"they are not showing any original work. To me that amounts to lying. " other than those 2 screenshots everything that we show on our page is legitimate and developed by us there is no fake or pre-rendered pictures on there with the exception of Alaric's mini pets which are a rendering and is stated explicitly on there. <br /><br />We do appologise for the use of the voxelfarm images in the first place and removed them on seeing this post - we made a mistake i just wish people would let it lie as it is resolved.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18229414718599175238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3779956188045272690.post-32659544927906146122014-01-22T13:07:54.380-05:002014-01-22T13:07:54.380-05:00Maclean: Did you know Kickstarter prohibits photor...Maclean: Did you know Kickstarter prohibits photorealistic renderings? The reason is that people might mistake it for a finished product when in fact it isn't. When you're running a campaign, any and all materials and images must belong to you and describe the product as it is in the current state. I.e., even if you used public domain images, you'd still be breaking Kickstarter's policy by representing something that your product is not.<br /><br />Apart from that: sure, I could make the same mistake on Kickstarter and use images that were not my own and that do not represent my product. Even if I'd removed them almost immediately, then I could still very well imagine that other people think my campaign is a scam. After all, I tried to raise money for my project using other people's intellectual property.<br /><br />And you should gracefully accept that you made a mistake, that you corrected it <i>and that you've upset people</i>. Miguel's response is very understandable. There are often scammers on Kickstarter. On first sight, why would he think your project is any different when you're using his material? You should accept that.<br /><br />What I find especially appalling is the fact that you (or Invisionary) state that Voxelfarm is <i>irresponsible, slanderous and immature</i>, and that you <i>would be very weary of ever doing business with VoxelFarm</i> and heed a <i>warning to any person who would be considering using VoxelFarm in the future</i>. If that's not slander, then it's very, very close to it. <i>You</i> made the mistake, and you represent yourselves as if you've been bullied by Voxelfarm. That's really low and immature.Dani Pnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3779956188045272690.post-21205972516611753352014-01-22T11:25:40.125-05:002014-01-22T11:25:40.125-05:00Learn to watermark all images, add watermark to al...Learn to watermark all images, add watermark to all videos.<br />At the very least it lets others know something fishy is going on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3779956188045272690.post-83343851027049717772014-01-22T11:09:51.810-05:002014-01-22T11:09:51.810-05:00Paul, that is silly.
Linking to his blog, or ev...Paul, that is silly. <br /><br />Linking to his blog, or even his company's web pages is never a problem. Art, screens and stuff like that might warrant a formal request, yet links never are, and for the use you describe even direct linking to his art wouldn't be a problem, everyone wants plublicity...<br /><br />What he doesn't want, and rightly so, is someone using screenshots of his work, and caption claims reinforcing them, used in a way to pass them off as being from "your" game and "your" technology from your game, especially on a Kickstarter (which by their very inclusion implies that this WAS the technology of the game.)<br /><br />As any content creator, it is nice to have other's respect your work enough to ask to use it. <br /><br />Yet, in the case you outlined, "commentary" is one of the fair uses, and even use-ing screenshots to comment on "his" work, or as a commentary about what you are trying to accomplish yourself is probably fine, because you are not intending to pass his work off as your own... are you? ;)Jonathan M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13053063838125968099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3779956188045272690.post-44945966484445437322014-01-22T10:05:00.163-05:002014-01-22T10:05:00.163-05:00Hmmm ... I haven't posted any images / content...Hmmm ... I haven't posted any images / content from Miguels creations but now i'm wondering if I should email him and ask if its ok to link to his blog from my blog? I ask for no money on my blog and use it purely to track my own exploits in to game development but if this is the likely reaction I think I might have to send an email :(<br /><br />I'm not going to comment on this argument ... that's asking for trouble.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04273947977077960155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3779956188045272690.post-41042789495280316732014-01-22T09:04:10.224-05:002014-01-22T09:04:10.224-05:00I assume you understand how kickstarter works corr...I assume you understand how kickstarter works correct? You are asking people to support you project, and that is risky. Even if you make you funding goals, who is to say you still won't run out pf cash before it is finished? That is why when people look at your project they try to see how much time/money has already been invested. That way they know that you can be relied on. When you post someone elses work (especially without consent), that raises way too many red flags as to the legitimacy of your project. The assualt of random annonymous replies on this site, the replies by your official team that have been pulled, and the constant ignorance of common copyright laws by your dev team are all further indications that a) this project is a scam, or b) this project is legitimate, but being run by someone who will eventually fail due to public relations and/or laesuits.Ajmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12985928729302303917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3779956188045272690.post-7631780339451803122014-01-22T08:53:30.868-05:002014-01-22T08:53:30.868-05:00@wayne, that is not how kickstarter works. If they...@wayne, that is not how kickstarter works. If they reach their funding goal, they are free to spend it however they like. It is buyer beware, generally investment in projects is done where you feel safe feeling that the person has enough invested in the project that they won't simply give up and disappear. Posting other peoples work is an easy way to show invested time in a project and is wrong, and is why it has made the projecf creators look like scammers.Ajmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12985928729302303917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3779956188045272690.post-62255099792219482942014-01-22T08:48:18.127-05:002014-01-22T08:48:18.127-05:00I'm sorry you think so little of us - we at in...I'm sorry you think so little of us - we at invisionary take copyright very seriously and this oversite regarding voxelfarm was based on an assumption the prompt removal was not a sign of guilt but more of respect for the voxelfarm as an admittance of a mistake on our part.<br /><br />I am not Alaric I'm the programmer of this game and can assure anyone that this issue regarding voxelfarm is the only one of its kind as all the rest of the projects assets are developed in House including any code with the exception of sgt which is one of the officially licenced pieces of technology by us at invisionary - I have coded everything else seen in the project and Alaric developed all of the assets including ships, characters, factory components etc.<br /><br />We are appalled at the assumption that there are other copyright infringements in this project, we have worked extremely hard to get what you see on our kickstarter video and it is quite offensive to us to simply assume we take copyright lightlyAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18229414718599175238noreply@blogger.com